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what's up everybody

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happy

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saturday

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we have a pretty

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awesome show in store for you today i

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don't know if you guys sleep under a

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rock

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or not

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but if you do you may have not

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heard of the amazing work uh uap media

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uk

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um

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and others have done regarding the

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famous kelvin um incident of

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the 1990s

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um the photo came out

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and i'm sure you guys have seen it if

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you haven't you can go to uap media uk

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you can go to their website check out

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the article in full i believe i put the

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description in the video

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or i put the link uh in the description

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of the video so you can check it out

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there and we're gonna get to it and talk

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about it here we're also hopefully going

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to talk about phenomenology uh the

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series is based in colombia where vinnie

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and dan are guests here and others

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ashley

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um who was in the chat here too go out

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and investigate the dancing lights of

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columbia which is a really awesome

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series full disclosure i haven't

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finished it yet but i can't wait to do

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so because it really is some fantastic

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boots on the ground investigating and

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they released a video yesterday too of

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some pretty mysterious lights i have to

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say they look pretty um

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they look pretty crazy so hopefully you

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got to see that too you can go on their

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twitter pages and stuff

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to check that out so

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without further ado i'm gonna bring in

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the guests here and we're gonna get on

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our first guest here

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we have is mr vinnie adams how are you

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sir from disclosure team everybody

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check out his youtube subscribe

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because uh he has some great interviews

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as well so thanks for joining us i

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appreciate it

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hey my pleasure man thanks for having me

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on yeah

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and our next guest is uh uh another

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favorite of so many people as a part of

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uap media uk also co-host uh that ufo

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podcast which is

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i'm just gonna say it's the number one

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ufo podcast in the galaxy

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uh without further ado we

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how are you sir i'm i'm great you sure

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in the galaxy

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i want to see your data

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yeah the galaxy i was going to go

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farther

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and say universe

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but i'm going to wait till the james

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webb telescope does a little more of its

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check out what else is going on out

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there and i'll report back to you but

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you're looking good thanks man thank you

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it's been a crazy 24 hours for me and i

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wasn't even at the center of this thing

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vinnie is he's just been texting kind of

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if you log out and get back it's one of

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those things it's like emails you know

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if you the longer you ignore the emails

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so maybe you should hire a secretary

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i've got vinnie he just hasn't been

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so the the first thing i'll i'll ask you

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guys let's start with the

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the kelvin stuff so

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um vinnie i know you started uh

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researching um this

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uh case with uh mr david clarke

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um who a lot of people may know who he

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um so how did that begin what made you

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um the birth of your investigation so to

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i've been aware of david and his work

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i'd looked into but i knew he was kind

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the main man to speak to about it so we

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telling me about his investigation and

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you know he's been looking at this case

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the team uh looking into the case

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it is and it's funny because you know

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we'd i'd meet david regularly for drinks

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to discuss it and you know i'd always

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if i'm having a drink with david and

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that and all i just wanted to do was

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and we're talking about this and this

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i just couldn't talk about it it's crazy

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so let me let me ask you dan when did

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you start hearing about this

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investigation and and how

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you know did you start getting involved

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and what kind of things did you do and

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where did uap media uk come into play

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so people might have noticed a little

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three-part blog from uh from david

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three-part article from david that he

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time where david joined us formally but

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through vinnie with him um and vinnie's

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board with us um and we've just been

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to get out there you know in the right

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possible so it's been amazing kind of

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over the last 24 hours seeing you know

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it up and just run with it

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uh so when are you guys going on the joe

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has that been scheduled dan no

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request going viral so we just have to

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and we can make it happen so i put the

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link uh to the article um

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in the chat here so you guys can check

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it out so uh pretty good pretty good

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interesting piece of evidence for the

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case and this was a photocopy of the

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original photograph that was sent to him

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photocopy of a line drawing

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he kind of just dropped into

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david's like oh my goodness we need this

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said you know we might have an original

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photograph out there you know because

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like me like i think a lot of people

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thought we'd never see this image in our

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yeah um and

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the you know something that stuck out to

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me in reading about it was the fact that

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um and he was being facetious i'm not

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sure but he said i've been waiting 30

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years for somebody to

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to talk to me about this in in the

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about this photograph

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i just think like man

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like where's the media been on this

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you know like for 30 years let's not

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forget as well where's where's nick pope

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being on this you know when we see him

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doing the circuit and kind of drumming

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up the myth but

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vinnie and i went through calvin on a

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train when we went up to loch ness and

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buleskin house that's closer than nick

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has ever been to that place you'd think

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with the amount that he talks about it

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that he would have at least visited and

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put up a few flyers trying to find it

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right but apparently not a few flyers

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you know that would have worked if the

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guys you know wants is willing to tell

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somebody about this photograph

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um so

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earlier in the year but he actually had

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posters made with the photocopy on it

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saying any information on this you know

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contact me he was literally boots on the

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ground old school

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investigative work it wasn't you know it

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was amazing wow yeah it's crazy that no

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one had just done that up until that

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point right i think we all kind of

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assume sometimes that people have been

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chasing this stuff and actually no

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there's a lot of low-hanging fruit in

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the community and it turns out if you

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just go to a place and you start asking

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around you know you find the thing

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yeah it turns out if you try

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that that can yeah you can reap some

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rewards if you put in some effort yeah

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which which you guys clearly did um so

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how long did you say you were working on

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this

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i mean i was involved for about 11

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months but

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we had a small team so david had

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obviously been on it for a long time but

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then there's matthew hillsly who who'd

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been working on it for oh a good year

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and a half and i mean he is

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incredible at what he does for tracking

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down people and and the work he puts in

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on that that that front and then there's

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giles stevens and charles lives

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literally next to calvin so he has

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knowledge of the area and

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then things like that and and the

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landscape as well so

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as a team we kind of all bounced off

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each other and you know it's it's just

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been a privilege to learn from those

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guys as much as anything

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yeah right so so you would say uh you've

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grown a bit through this process oh yeah

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big time man

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yeah

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what's one of the the biggest things you

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have learned or taken away from that in

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that regard

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do you know what i think it also bounces

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back

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to well something that i put in play in

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columbia as well is like

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just wait for the data

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look at the data see where that leads

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you before speculating making

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conclusions that aren't based on

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all the information right just be

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cautious and and you know go through the

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process in the correct order

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i think that's what we did and we did

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that in colombia as well so i think i

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learned that you know

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yeah no i i think uh that's

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that's

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mean i think i think one of the biggest

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uh issues or things that we see in the

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ufo community is

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you know we start with a little bit

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information like calvin it happened okay

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so um

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and then people fill in the blanks

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right with what either what they want to

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believe or

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we which really is the case for

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everybody what what they want to believe

359
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right and what their biases are what

360
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whether that means you're a debunker

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like a midwest type and you want to

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believe that it's a kite

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or a rock

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or whether that's somebody who really

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wants to believe in extraterrestrials

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and says it's that right but

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either way none of it comes with any

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data it just comes with you know your

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your bias loop so to speak in your head

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um

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so yeah i mean what i appreciate most

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about this case is whatever why does it

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be in the object whether we find out

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what it is or not it's the fact that

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it's a big case and somebody went out

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there and actually found the real

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photograph that nobody has been able to

378
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well you know no one has found

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and you know it was going to be locked

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away till you know many of us might be

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just dead and

382
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never get to see it and you found it way

383
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earlier and and got to show people and i

384
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think that's amazing

385
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um so kudos

386
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uh to doing that um what do you if you

387
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had to guess uh what do you think the

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object is

389
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you knew i was gonna ask but

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uh

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to be extraterrestrial or or a genuine

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ufo you know from

393
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out there but i'm leaning more towards

394
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uh some kind of secret project

395
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yeah

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i mow the other way just so you know uh

397
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vinnie and i've been talking over the

398
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last few days and there are just certain

399
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things in the story to me that even if

400
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it's a man-made craft the performance

401
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characteristics of it uh you just just

402
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beg a lot of questions you know where do

403
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we get that from how do we move that

404
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first it's basically you know said to

405
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have exhibited a couple of the five

406
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observables and

407
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we just don't have anything that does

408
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that stuff

409
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what do we know about the uh witness uh

410
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testimony

411
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well i mean

412
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craig the rf press officer craig lindsay

413
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spoke directly with the witnesses

414
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you know um

415
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got their their story and it was you

416
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know this thing was hovering silently

417
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for ten minutes

418
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yeah they'll say silent say silently

419
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because that's what they told him

420
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whereas nick pope has claimed in the

421
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past that there was humming sounds

422
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coming from it and things like that but

423
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the witness's direct testimony to craig

424
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lindsey was that it was deadly silent

425
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hovering for 10 minutes before

426
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shooting off vertically at a rapid rate

427
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of speed

428
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you know disappearing out of you pretty

429
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much so you know

430
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it's testimony do you you know it's not

431
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enough really to

432
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perform a conclusion in my opinion some

433
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people testimony is all they need

434
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yeah very true but this this was one of

435
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the important points he you know people

436
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were saying to me a week after i teased

437
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you know why can't you just drop it now

438
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drop it now and the whole reason was

439
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because the daily mail had an exclusive

440
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so we kind of had to wait for them to go

441
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first because we wanted it in print

442
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because the witnesses generation and the

443
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photographers generation are more likely

444
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to be reading print newspapers right so

445
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we want it out there so that they can

446
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potentially see it and get in touch with

447
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us and then we can talk to the witnesses

448
00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:41,120
ourselves you know uh people are already

449
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looking for the pilot of the aircraft um

450
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it's amazing like

451
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the internet is like crowdsourcing

452
00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:49,360
intelligence sometimes and this is just

453
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one of the examples where i think it's

454
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gone right you know people have received

455
00:16:56,389 --> 00:16:54,720
it well and they're all doing the work

456
00:16:58,230 --> 00:16:56,399
can you hear me okay

457
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yeah yeah okay

458
00:17:02,389 --> 00:17:00,160
bluetooth on my computer for some reason

459
00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:02,399
shut down i'm getting some ghosties

460
00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:03,600
so

461
00:17:07,429 --> 00:17:05,360
don't mind me

462
00:17:08,949 --> 00:17:07,439
i'm just working with it here

463
00:17:11,750 --> 00:17:08,959
apparently someone probably doesn't want

464
00:17:13,510 --> 00:17:11,760
us talking about

465
00:17:16,630 --> 00:17:13,520
this thing perhaps

466
00:17:18,230 --> 00:17:16,640
it's tough so i i missed unfortunately

467
00:17:20,949 --> 00:17:18,240
the last few things that that you were

468
00:17:22,870 --> 00:17:20,959
talking about but um we can move on from

469
00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:22,880
there

470
00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:27,510
what are some takeaways from this case

471
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your biggest takeaway is dan let's let's

472
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hear from you what's your biggest take

473
00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:33,120
away from this case here so for me

474
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there's

475
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if you read the timeline of this case

476
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you can see that there was kind of

477
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kerfuffles between the mod and the dod

478
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and they weren't talking to each other

479
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it shows a little incompetence but it

480
00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:45,120
also shows

481
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lies and you know people like chris

482
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mellon would have gone and asked about

483
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this kind of technology and whether they

484
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had it and he was told that they didn't

485
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have it so as far as i'm concerned this

486
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should hopefully

487
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we'll see a statement from the mod

488
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that's a bit better than their

489
00:18:03,669 --> 00:18:02,080
boilerplate response just kind of

490
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filling in that gap of information that

491
00:18:06,070 --> 00:18:05,039
vacuum of information because like you

492
00:18:08,150 --> 00:18:06,080
said people just fill it with this

493
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speculation otherwise so we need some

494
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hard answers and you know people will

495
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stop speculating

496
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yeah what about you benny

497
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i suppose my main takeaway when looking

498
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into something like this is

499
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when things kind of or you feel like

500
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you've hit a dead end don't don't quit

501
00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:23,280
like keep going because that i think we

502
00:18:27,830 --> 00:18:25,760
came to that quite a few times

503
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and we kept going and and stuff like

504
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that you know there are ups and downs

505
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and things might seem like they've been

506
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going on for an awful long time but

507
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you know just

508
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ride it out ride it out to the end and

509
00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:39,280
you know you never know

510
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tell me about uh a time during this

511
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where

512
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you almost quit

513
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there wasn't one

514
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[Laughter]

515
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well that's good

516
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um

517
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yes i'm just dealing with computer stuff

518
00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:00,799
here but

519
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let's

520
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if anyone by the way has any questions

521
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:11,909
them responded to this yet no he hasn't

522
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uh he he kind of gave a big excited

523
00:19:19,270 --> 00:19:16,880
response and just said excellent work uh

524
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:19,280
but in terms of formal statements

525
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:22,320
nothing uh as of yet um i should have

526
00:19:25,350 --> 00:19:24,240
said actually on second though my one of

527
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:25,360
my favorite things about this is the

528
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fact that the us congress stuff is super

529
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:29,280
important don't get me wrong it's

530
00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:30,720
important that they legitimize it and

531
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:32,480
that they push their research projects

532
00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:35,280
forward but it is a worldwide phenomena

533
00:19:39,990 --> 00:19:38,480
and this being in the uk is is great

534
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:40,000
because it reminds people that it's a

535
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:41,679
worldwide phenomena and just like the

536
00:19:45,430 --> 00:19:43,280
columbia stuff does you know it's it's

537
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:45,440
everywhere it's everywhere we don't just

538
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:46,880
have to sit and wait for congress to

539
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:49,440
tell us that it's real you know

540
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:51,760
yeah that's the thing uh and that's a

541
00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:54,080
big takeaway it's like everybody

542
00:19:57,270 --> 00:19:55,760
you know for better for worse i mean you

543
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:57,280
need the government to do their job

544
00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:59,039
right you need them to look into this

545
00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:59,919
stuff

546
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:01,520
uh for the

547
00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:03,280
just the betterment of of the world

548
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:04,880
really people have been having sightings

549
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:06,640
for so long with questions that have

550
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:09,679
gone so unanswered for so long so

551
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:11,520
uh but that doesn't mean we have to sit

552
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:13,280
and wait for them to give us answers

553
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:14,799
either and i think yeah this is a

554
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:16,559
perfect testament to

555
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:18,400
boots on the ground research and how far

556
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:20,640
you can take that i mean

557
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:24,000
um you know other than the witnesses

558
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:26,000
you know i always think that people are

559
00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:28,240
also experiencers that are in the crowd

560
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:31,360
right people that read the stories

561
00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:34,000
people that um ex you know listen to

562
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:36,559
other people's experiences those are all

563
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:39,039
different types of experiences you know

564
00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:41,200
so we're all experiencing this phenomena

565
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:43,280
in different ways and if you can

566
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:45,440
help guide people

567
00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:48,400
in any way whether it be closing a case

568
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:50,240
or giving more information towards the

569
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:53,360
case uh i think that's great and what

570
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:54,880
what you guys did there finding that

571
00:20:58,950 --> 00:20:56,880
photograph so many people

572
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,960
wondered what it would look like so many

573
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:00,480
people thought they would never see it i

574
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:02,799
mean that's all helping

575
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:04,159
all these people who experience their

576
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,440
phenomenon um out in their their own you

577
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:10,000
know search for truth so that's a huge

578
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,520
thing and you didn't have to wait for

579
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:13,760
the government the government shut us it

580
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,240
down on that you know they said no

581
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:18,240
you're not going to see it but you're

582
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:19,840
like well

583
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:22,480
i'm going to do it anyways

584
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:23,760
you know

585
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:25,360
and that's fantastic and you're also

586
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:28,320
doing that with uh phenomenology by the

587
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:31,600
way which is a a great docu-series and

588
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:33,679
you're in columbia you know looking at

589
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:36,240
uh these dancing lights you know so

590
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:37,840
maybe it's a good time to transition

591
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,159
there by the way if anybody has you know

592
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:42,960
questions for um calvin you can still

593
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:44,240
put them in here and we'll try to get to

594
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:45,440
them put them in all caps that would be

595
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:46,400
helpful

596
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:47,840
pay me a hundred dollars for the

597
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:50,320
question that would be the most helpful

598
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:51,200
questions

599
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:52,960
yeah but you don't have to

600
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:54,799
um

601
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:57,120
yeah so tell me about

602
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:01,280
um phenomenology how that came to be

603
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:03,679
and um some of your best moments your

604
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:05,520
favorite moments from that

605
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:07,280
uh go go ahead vinnie vinnie was on it

606
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:08,880
first whoever wants to tell me about it

607
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:10,400
and i got all excited and joined on so

608
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:11,679
go ahead man

609
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,679
yeah sure i mean it was uh last year

610
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:15,760
when ashley contacted me through his

611
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:18,240
instagram account uap colombia and which

612
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,280
he was

613
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:21,760
running anonymously for quite some time

614
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:23,919
before sort of revealing who he was you

615
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:26,320
know the man behind the page uh and we

616
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:28,320
were talking quite quite a lot and he

617
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:30,640
was doing great work we we collaborated

618
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:32,799
on a couple of article drops that he was

619
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:34,960
reporting from cases in colombia so it

620
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,640
was we started building up this good

621
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:38,320
relationship working relationship and

622
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,120
then

623
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:41,520
you know when i first sort of had a

624
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:43,360
private face-to-face kind of zoom call

625
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,720
with him and i realized who he was and

626
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:48,320
that led to me understanding the work

627
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:49,919
that he'd done previously on on

628
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:53,200
television and and all sorts of great

629
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,520
uh investigative work you know all

630
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:57,600
around the world um

631
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:59,360
he'd mentioned obviously these lights

632
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,720
you know i used to log on he used to do

633
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:02,720
instagram lives where he'd just have his

634
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,440
camera facing the mountain not talking

635
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:07,440
nothing just the mountain

636
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:08,960
and then we discussed the case and he

637
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:10,240
said you know i'd love to get a team out

638
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:12,159
here to investigate this and that

639
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:13,919
conversation basically carried on right

640
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:15,200
through towards the end of last year

641
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:17,679
when he said right it's happening let's

642
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,520
do it and boom

643
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:21,840
within six weeks from that conversation

644
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:24,000
six or seven weeks we were

645
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:26,080
meeting on a me and dan went on you know

646
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:29,200
on a plane to colombia it was crazy

647
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:30,880
what happened

648
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:33,200
now i'm hiking up this mountain yeah

649
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:34,080
tell me

650
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:38,720
how it started for you then

651
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:41,360
uh so it was we we had ashley onto the

652
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,279
channel to kind of talk about what he

653
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,880
was doing and i'd spoken with vinnie a

654
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:46,400
little bit about it vinnie told me he

655
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:47,520
was going out and stuff and i was like

656
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:49,200
oh maybe i can twist ashley's army into

657
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:50,400
letting me come because it sounds like a

658
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:52,080
really cool opportunity to go and you

659
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:53,600
know

660
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,000
research and properly study some some

661
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:58,720
light phenomena on a mountain um

662
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:00,559
so yeah actually

663
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:03,120
kind of everyone i say ashley

664
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:06,000
ashley vinnie and andy kind of twisted

665
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:08,559
my arm into accepting help because i

666
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,799
didn't want to um i felt a little funny

667
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:12,320
about it they were just like no quite

668
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:16,080
fun people might find this cool and um

669
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:19,200
one of one of our listeners uh who

670
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:20,960
had terminal cancer messaged me and just

671
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:22,799
said you know hey i'd love to do

672
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,640
something like this and i can't go so

673
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:26,720
please let me support you and you can go

674
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,240
and i was like you know what who might

675
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:30,240
say no to something like that right

676
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:30,960
so

677
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:33,440
uh i i brought a little teddy with me

678
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:35,440
that uh represented that person uh so it

679
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,159
was really cool to have them around um

680
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:40,880
and yeah we we raised the money and i

681
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,320
went out with vinnie we had an amazing

682
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:45,120
trip out there um a lot of adventures on

683
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:46,880
the way as well vinnie sleeps a lot i've

684
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:50,159
discovered this he can sleep anywhere

685
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:53,360
it's so not true it's not true at all i

686
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:55,600
could on that trip because we uh it's a

687
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,039
long story that the day before was drink

688
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,919
meeting meeting other people in

689
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,440
yeah this is true

690
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:05,679
i'll give you that it was a long journey

691
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:07,200
and we just didn't sleep much on the

692
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:09,279
journey so exactly you know vinnie was

693
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:11,360
grabbing bits of maps where he was um i

694
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:14,640
was editing as we went um and yeah then

695
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:16,640
we got there we we were amazed by the

696
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:18,559
price of a domino's pizza

697
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,240
being like four bucks

698
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:22,640
which was crazy wow i know right i was

699
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:24,080
just like what and we didn't even have

700
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:25,520
one out there that's how good the food

701
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,320
was um wow and and it was amazing to

702
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:30,240
just be in the town i described it while

703
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:32,400
we were out there like a ufo theme park

704
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,840
i don't know if you've heard the disney

705
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:35,360
do this thing where you can pay to go

706
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:36,159
and

707
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:40,080
you to like a star wars spaceship

708
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,640
essentially and all of the

709
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:44,159
uh you know the cast members the disney

710
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:45,360
cast members on there they're all in

711
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:46,640
character and you can kind of go on

712
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:47,760
quests with them and stuff like that

713
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,279
they all have their stories

714
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:51,360
this felt like a ufo version of that

715
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:52,880
because no matter who you walked up to

716
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:55,200
in the town they had a story for you

717
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:56,880
they had a lead that you could follow to

718
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:59,440
investigate and honestly like we could

719
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:00,880
have just stayed there for years just

720
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:03,440
investigating everybody's everybody's

721
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:06,400
stories so actually it kind of picked a

722
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:08,240
few things out for us to investigate

723
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:10,480
throughout the season um and we did you

724
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:13,039
know you see uh me amazed by my first

725
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:14,400
firefly and then figuring out it's a

726
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,240
firefly um

727
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,240
you also see me disappointing someone

728
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,400
teaching them you know how you can buy a

729
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:22,320
lens flare um

730
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:23,919
and we all watch the mountains till like

731
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,320
4 a.m and you know we went on we saw

732
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:28,240
some amazing most communities and helped

733
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,960
them dig wells and you know took uh took

734
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,880
part in a lot of ceremonies with them

735
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,480
and it was amazing to be invited into

736
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:36,480
those places um and really really

737
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:39,679
humbling um and then the tracks up the

738
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:41,919
mountains were something else man like

739
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,360
they were

740
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,360
it felt like every kind of maybe 100

741
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:47,520
meters the whole

742
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:49,360
just everything changed like all the

743
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:50,480
plants would change and it just felt

744
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:51,840
like you were going into another realm

745
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:54,400
every every so often um and you would be

746
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:55,760
ascending and then you get to the top of

747
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:56,799
these places and they felt like

748
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:59,360
cathedrals to me um they were just

749
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,880
incredible and and that's one of the

750
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:02,240
reasons why

751
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:04,480
we we know that where the lights appear

752
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:06,240
in the video we know that's a sheer

753
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:07,919
cliff drop we know how hard it is to get

754
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:09,440
up there we know people aren't lugging

755
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:10,400
you know

756
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:13,039
wires and electric torches and these big

757
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:14,400
lights up there because it would just be

758
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:17,440
nice and impossible um it takes a lot of

759
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:19,440
effort to get up there um

760
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:21,760
so yeah like we can almost take off

761
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,360
possibilities through just having

762
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:25,919
partaken in that ascent really

763
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:28,159
yeah that would be a very physically

764
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,240
demanding hoax

765
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:32,159
yes right yes it would be

766
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:34,000
and and

767
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,240
in the in the video the kind of the

768
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,240
width of the lights uh there's a bit

769
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,240
where one of the balls kind of spits out

770
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:42,399
light to to its uh

771
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:44,720
right oh it's left in the video and that

772
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:46,799
distance that it covers no one's running

773
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:49,279
that fast that's that's a big distance

774
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,799
and there's no like i said there's no

775
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:52,000
path up there you're walking along

776
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:53,520
riverbeds that if it rains you're

777
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,520
screwed you're just stuck up there um

778
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:57,679
yeah so yeah

779
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:01,120
the it's perplexing uh but i like to say

780
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,720
you know what what we did is we proved

781
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,039
the presence of a repeatable phenomenon

782
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:06,880
and that means we can study it so let's

783
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,919
go right yeah right now that's beautiful

784
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,600
and there's no reason not to right i

785
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,919
mean this is what we're here doing

786
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:15,360
i'm

787
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,720
you know i tend to think that there's

788
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:18,720
multiple phenomena there's there's

789
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:20,480
different kinds of phenomena and you

790
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,120
have located one that you can study you

791
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:25,279
know so so that should be done

792
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:28,159
um and that's beautiful um vinnie was

793
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:34,710
a phenomenon like that

794
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:35,679
yeah

795
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:38,000
yes man and this is funny because this

796
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:40,000
goes back to last this goes back to last

797
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,520
year when we used to

798
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,360
hang out on live streams on instagram

799
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:45,760
and here with max as well and yeah you

800
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:47,360
guys had all seen something and used to

801
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:49,120
joke about me being the only one that

802
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:50,960
had never seen anything so now i feel

803
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:53,039
like i'm in the club i'm in the club man

804
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:54,880
yeah you know

805
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:57,520
how many people have their uap sighting

806
00:29:02,230 --> 00:28:59,760
on video right like that's

807
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:02,240
so cool it's very true

808
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,880
it's very true how did how did the how

809
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,960
did it differ seeing it in person versus

810
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:08,640
the video because that's the one thing i

811
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:11,840
found frustrating with well you know one

812
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:14,799
uh thing that i've seen is as it didn't

813
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:17,440
do it justice my video no my video was a

814
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:20,880
camera on a cell phone but you know

815
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,960
but the funny thing is before i went out

816
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:24,640
i was like oh my god i'm gonna go out

817
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:26,799
there with somebody so into ufos that

818
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,919
everything they see they're going to

819
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:29,520
think of the ufo just about pure

820
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:32,399
excitement so i was very cautious

821
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:34,720
to to not be that way and so i came at

822
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:37,520
everything from a very data-driven

823
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:39,200
aspect as well when we were researching

824
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:40,960
some of the smaller cases

825
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:42,799
looking into things it was more really

826
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:44,799
data focused so

827
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:46,960
you know by the end of the trip when

828
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:49,279
the the sighting happened

829
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,870
initially ashley's enthusiasm and

830
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:57,120
passion was you know it's happening it's

831
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:59,200
happening and of course it was happening

832
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:00,720
and and because we'd been up the

833
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:02,480
mountain like dan said

834
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:04,080
the majority of that mountain is covered

835
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,159
in trees and dense foliage as well and

836
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:08,399
these lights weren't flickering behind

837
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,640
trees these were big bright or balls of

838
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:15,120
you know crazy almost iridescent lights

839
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:17,039
it's hard to describe

840
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:18,559
in in you know

841
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:20,080
it's hard to describe

842
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:21,440
um

843
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:22,640
but my head

844
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,360
was it was going crazy i'm i'm seeing

845
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:27,919
the the dancing lights uh of la pena de

846
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,440
wikia and

847
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:31,440
there's a little part of my head going

848
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:34,159
you know prosaic prosaic prosaic and

849
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,600
it's it's a real

850
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,760
battle in my head as i'm witnessing it

851
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:39,840
so yeah it was not how i expected to

852
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:41,679
feel at the time and obviously

853
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:44,159
afterwards processing it all

854
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,520
you know you you think different

855
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:47,360
thoughts and you and stuff like that to

856
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,559
the point where you realize that you

857
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:50,720
have seen something genuinely anomalous

858
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:53,840
now whether it's um something

859
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,360
earthly

860
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,679
that's still anomalous great you know or

861
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,600
is it something more you know because

862
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:01,840
whatever it is is rare

863
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:03,519
yeah that's that's the thing to drive

864
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,880
home as well like some people might go

865
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:07,200
it's plasma it's ball lightning calling

866
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,880
those things that doesn't take away the

867
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,559
mystery science doesn't understand those

868
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,159
things so we've still found an

869
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:14,159
incredible laboratory you know when when

870
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,200
you can

871
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:17,200
make bull lightning in a lab i'll throw

872
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,480
my hands up and go cool let's pull

873
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:21,200
lightning but until that point that's a

874
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:23,840
studyable very rare phenomena so either

875
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,760
way

876
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:27,120
yeah and that's something a lot of

877
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:29,600
people miss with the skeptics or or on

878
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:32,880
the debunker side of things is uh you

879
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:35,679
know simply looking at a video you know

880
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:37,360
like that like the gimbal video and

881
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:39,679
putting together um an idea of what it

882
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:42,880
may be without putting a

883
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,760
jet

884
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:45,360
in the air

885
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:48,640
and reproducing what you think it is and

886
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:50,559
getting the video from it

887
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:53,840
you are you cannot say you are correct

888
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,880
you know you that's that's not science

889
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:58,320
you have to have predictable

890
00:32:01,909 --> 00:32:01,120
reproducible uh experiments you know and

891
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:01,919
and

892
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,320
you guys found

893
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:06,159
something very promising that you can

894
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,399
that you can do that with so

895
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:10,720
uh i can't wait for that to happen and

896
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:14,640
see more if all goes to plan um you know

897
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,720
come next february we'll be back out

898
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,880
there on the anniversary again because

899
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,559
the sighting happened on the anniversary

900
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,240
of ash's first sight in hence why we can

901
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:24,399
say it's repeatable um

902
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:25,200
and

903
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:28,880
set up trail cams up there which will

904
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:30,640
probably get fried by you know the

905
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:33,679
plasma or the ball lightning

906
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:35,679
camp up there next time as well uh which

907
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,799
we weren't allowed to do because it's a

908
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:38,640
protected space and on that on that

909
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:40,240
mountain you need a police escort to go

910
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:42,880
up and the all the houses on the road on

911
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:44,320
the way up they're owned by cartel

912
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:45,840
members apparently so they'll just

913
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:47,360
follow you up and mug you if you don't

914
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:48,960
have a police officer

915
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:51,120
wow so you've got to be real careful

916
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,320
it's not just you know i've seen some

917
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:54,000
people kind of go oh yeah you filmed it

918
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:55,600
from ash's house and you stayed back and

919
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:56,880
it's like well it's not like you can run

920
00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:58,320
up the mountain unless you want to just

921
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:00,399
die you know right so

922
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:02,320
you've got it you've got to be safe

923
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,480
um and you know learn to learn to fight

924
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,240
another day ashley himself has just

925
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:08,320
finished building a little uap viewing

926
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:10,080
station at the end of his garden uh with

927
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,240
a bed and you know some cameras in there

928
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:14,000
and we're hoping to set up basically

929
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:17,120
think project hestalin but in modern day

930
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:18,240
so we can set up a whole bunch of

931
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:19,600
sensors a whole bunch of live streaming

932
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:20,880
cameras and people can just watch and

933
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:22,399
help us

934
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:24,399
any you know i highlighted this question

935
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:25,679
here by robert because i thought it was

936
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:28,000
interesting any uh geological info on

937
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:30,640
the area any you know geological

938
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,279
anomalies or even magnetic anomalies so

939
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:35,519
when when we were out there um i pulled

940
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,720
up i've got a google maps of all weird

941
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,320
things and it has things like ley lines

942
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:42,640
and you know uh the the magnetic

943
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,080
readings of planet earth and things like

944
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:46,640
that so yeah we had a look at the

945
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:48,640
magnetic anomalies in the area and it

946
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:50,399
turns out that basically there's two

947
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:51,519
peaks

948
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:54,159
um there's mojo

949
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:56,000
which is the the masculine and then

950
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:57,360
you've got

951
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:59,600
waika which is the feminine and these

952
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:01,519
balls of light supposedly travel from

953
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:03,200
one peak to the other

954
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:06,960
kind of impregnated bringing life birth

955
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,119
but they actually both sit

956
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,520
on opposite ends of

957
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,200
the anomalous

958
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:15,599
magnetic readings so on one side you've

959
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:16,879
got a depression on the other side

960
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:19,359
you've got a positive reading so

961
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,800
if there's water kind of running between

962
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:22,720
the two it's very possible that it's

963
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:25,760
essentially just a battery right and and

964
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:28,159
we're watching this current kind of flow

965
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:29,760
but

966
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:33,200
it also seems that these the phenomena

967
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:35,200
exhibits itself in many different ways

968
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:36,399
you know we're not just looking at balls

969
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:38,320
of light we've had reports of tic-tacs

970
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,560
lying around the mountain we had reports

971
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:42,159
of these lights going through a door in

972
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:43,919
the in the mountain itself and things

973
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:46,560
like that so it's not it's not quite so

974
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:47,839
straightforward you know you've got to

975
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:49,200
take into account all of the witness

976
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:52,079
testimony and really balance out like

977
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,079
the the incredible culture there that

978
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:56,240
just yeah it permeates it just it's

979
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:57,440
everywhere

980
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:58,400
well

981
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,560
yeah i mean it seems like even in their

982
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,560
artistic cultures they're

983
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,880
commonly incorporating ufos and and

984
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:06,160
things like that

985
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:07,040
like

986
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:08,079
so

987
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:09,920
do you think that has anything to do

988
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,760
with uh there being more common

989
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:13,680
occurrence of it you know people that

990
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,920
more are more accepting of it and almost

991
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:17,040
uh

992
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,200
you know real in some way shape or form

993
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,599
whatever that may be do you think

994
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:25,280
you know the law of attraction so to

995
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:26,880
speak plays a part

996
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:28,320
i mean just the fact that like dan said

997
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:30,240
that everyone wanted to talk about it

998
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:32,560
you know so word spreads and it's just

999
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:34,880
part of everyday life out there

1000
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:36,160
you know we're literally walking down

1001
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:38,480
the street looking at ufo

1002
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:41,280
murals and artwork all around the towns

1003
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,960
and then people would come up to you you

1004
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:44,640
know curious and i think even some

1005
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:46,079
people have probably heard that there's

1006
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,880
this

1007
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,800
team of gringos in town

1008
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,240
doing a ufo

1009
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,720
investigation and i say that because

1010
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:54,079
they were kind of the words that ashley

1011
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:55,200
used when we were out there you know

1012
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:56,720
people noticed

1013
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,160
and so people would come up and talk to

1014
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:00,880
us and it just really is part of their

1015
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:03,599
everyday life um and so there's probably

1016
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,839
spoken about more reported more so it

1017
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:07,760
seems like there is probably a lot more

1018
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:09,280
cases out there whereas it might not be

1019
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:10,720
the case but the fact that it's

1020
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,680
discussed on a regular basis might make

1021
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:15,440
it look that it's uh

1022
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:17,200
happening more in that area

1023
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:18,880
and it's not just

1024
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:21,040
the the people in the town as well the

1025
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:22,880
officials in the town will talk about it

1026
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:25,119
at one point oh yeah where ashley we had

1027
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:26,720
the police escort up the mountain and

1028
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,160
actually said oh so have you seen the

1029
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,720
lights to to the police uh woman and she

1030
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:32,640
laughed and he was like oh no you you

1031
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:33,839
don't take it seriously and she was like

1032
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:35,839
oh no no no it's because i they're not

1033
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:38,640
lights the ufos just call them ufos

1034
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:40,720
it's just a matter of fact

1035
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,040
right oh that's beautiful what would

1036
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:45,119
that be like if uh our entire country

1037
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:47,680
was like that us you could you know

1038
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,880
um

1039
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:50,880
and i've actually in my own studies and

1040
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,040
document studies like that's been hinted

1041
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,680
at uh before you know the more people

1042
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:57,920
talk about it the more news reports

1043
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:00,560
there are of it um the more sightings

1044
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,320
they are and at first you

1045
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:04,079
you know it's you can take that the

1046
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:05,520
wrong way like what are they trying to

1047
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:08,079
say here but the way i take it is the

1048
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,119
more it's in people's minds the more it

1049
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:13,200
actually comes to fruition you know what

1050
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,480
i mean

1051
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,480
and obviously that's just a

1052
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:19,200
uh weak hypothesis based on that much

1053
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,000
but no i mean you're not wrong you know

1054
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:24,240
the we were there for two weeks and i

1055
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,839
was staying up to like four or five a.m

1056
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,680
every single day and then getting up to

1057
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:29,520
film at like six seven

1058
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,800
trying to see these lights on the

1059
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:32,320
mountain and i didn't see anything yeah

1060
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:33,839
but the second the people started going

1061
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:36,800
home it put on this full display and

1062
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:38,720
we talk about the trickster phenomena

1063
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:39,520
right

1064
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:41,119
so there's certainly an aspect of that

1065
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:43,040
where we were like oh yeah this is this

1066
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,480
is typical right like we should have

1067
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:46,400
expected this

1068
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:48,160
yeah you gotta start like

1069
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:51,839
almost uh lying you know like yeah

1070
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:54,160
we're gonna go home now

1071
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:56,000
i guess we're gonna pack up and get out

1072
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:57,359
of here

1073
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,610
yeah

1074
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:59,280
[Laughter]

1075
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,359
and check it out well i asked you this

1076
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:03,119
uh question in regards to the kelvin

1077
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:05,040
case but uh let me ask you this in

1078
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,160
regards to

1079
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:08,800
uh phenomenology and being in colombia

1080
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:10,000
where

1081
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:11,200
you know what

1082
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:13,839
was there uh just a really emotionally

1083
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,760
taxing moment where you where you were

1084
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:17,440
thinking what am i doing here you know

1085
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:20,240
and tell me about that

1086
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,520
i i mean

1087
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:23,280
the climb the mountain climbs two of

1088
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:24,960
them we did both peaks we did mojoy

1089
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:27,040
first and then waika now

1090
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:28,880
you know we we did mahoy first and that

1091
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:31,440
was obviously it was difficult you know

1092
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:33,680
you're already at 9 000

1093
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,839
feet or meters i forget which

1094
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:37,440
even when you're at ground level we're

1095
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:39,680
on the edge of the andean plateau so the

1096
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,079
air is thin anyway

1097
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:44,240
and so it quickly became

1098
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:45,839
obvious to me that it was going to be a

1099
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:48,640
struggle and and you suddenly feel it in

1100
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:50,320
your legs the lack of oxygen running

1101
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:51,920
through your blood your leg your legs

1102
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:54,720
are in in agony so there was that but it

1103
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:56,480
certainly wasn't a point where

1104
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:59,040
i knew i would quit you know i had to

1105
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,800
battle through those and i i suffered

1106
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:02,000
quite a bit

1107
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:03,520
but um

1108
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,960
yeah you can't quit when you're

1109
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:06,480
somewhere like that when at the time

1110
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:08,800
what are you gonna do yeah teleport yeah

1111
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,839
yeah

1112
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:11,839
once in a lifetime i don't want to be

1113
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:13,359
that guy at the bottom and then everyone

1114
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:14,720
comes down and go oh my god that was

1115
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:17,119
amazing you should have seen that

1116
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:19,040
i'm no quitter

1117
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,240
and i'm sure you'd agree vinnie that the

1118
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,320
the hard work on the way up

1119
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:26,640
was completely balanced out by the

1120
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:28,079
feeling when we were sat on the edge of

1121
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:29,839
that mountain on the mirror door and you

1122
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,680
know you see the shot as vinnie kind of

1123
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:34,320
comes down and i'm just sat there um

1124
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:35,760
he swings on the tree branches in the

1125
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,520
show and it's such a cool shot because

1126
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:39,599
yeah we were just we were basking in the

1127
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,200
moment just looking over this whole

1128
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:42,960
valley that was like i said this ufo

1129
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:44,960
theme park and just considering the

1130
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:47,119
possibilities you know and it actually

1131
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:49,119
turned out that where i sat in that

1132
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:51,760
moment was exactly where um the moisture

1133
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,359
try jumped off

1134
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:55,440
this is when when the spanish

1135
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:58,000
conquistadors came um yeah they rather

1136
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:59,920
than give themselves over a lot of them

1137
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:02,000
just commit suicide they they jumped off

1138
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:05,440
the cliff and and yeah it was it felt

1139
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:07,520
weirdly fitting that that was the spot

1140
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:10,720
that we chose um and also in that moment

1141
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,040
we we found a uh

1142
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:15,440
there are petroglyphs everywhere

1143
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:17,680
over the lower part of the mountain but

1144
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,000
nothing far up and it was actually

1145
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:22,079
during the the visit of waiko that we

1146
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:24,960
found a black handprint on the rock on

1147
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:26,319
the mirador

1148
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:28,240
so i mean that's that's pretty cool to

1149
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:29,920
kind of touch that and connect with you

1150
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:32,079
know hundreds of years of history

1151
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:32,960
sure

1152
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:36,720
how has this trip changed either of you

1153
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:40,319
um spiritually if at all

1154
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:43,119
i think it's opened my mind to

1155
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:44,960
coming from someone who just always

1156
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:45,920
wanted to

1157
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:47,839
look at documents and stuff that was my

1158
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:50,079
original background way before i was

1159
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:53,119
even online anywhere now i'm just open

1160
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:55,760
to everything and when you are inserted

1161
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:58,560
into a culture as deep and thick and

1162
00:41:01,109 --> 00:41:00,160
steeped in

1163
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,119
you know

1164
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:03,280
the mythology of the subject and almost

1165
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,960
the religion of it as well because there

1166
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,800
was an awful lot of the kind of

1167
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,800
apparition kind of

1168
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,640
stuff featured in that area as well you

1169
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:12,880
have to respect it all

1170
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:15,359
uh don't discount anything

1171
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,319
and just be just be very open and and

1172
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:20,160
take little bits from everything you

1173
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:21,920
know because like i said i am very data

1174
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,079
driven and i wanted the data but you

1175
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:26,400
cannot exclude the the stories that you

1176
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,520
heard from

1177
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:29,760
you know old men and women

1178
00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:31,839
you know from from the small towns of

1179
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,319
rural colombia that was important data

1180
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:36,560
as well so it's just being more open to

1181
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:38,000
everything i think

1182
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,960
yeah

1183
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:40,480
what about you

1184
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:43,040
um there were i mean on the way out i

1185
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,640
decided that i was gonna just immerse

1186
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,720
myself spiritually and just see how i

1187
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,720
came out of it and and on the plane fly

1188
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:50,160
over on the way back i was doing the

1189
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:51,839
hemisync stuff the monroe institute

1190
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:54,000
hemisync stuff so i spent a lot of time

1191
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:55,839
just trying to get into that zone and

1192
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:58,560
just enjoying the space and yeah i feel

1193
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:00,880
like it changed me tremendously you know

1194
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:04,480
i went from colombia where i did a few

1195
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,560
uh ceremonies

1196
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,640
all the way to

1197
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,240
up to bellaskin house where crowley did

1198
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:12,560
the admiral ritual in that room where i

1199
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:13,920
got sit in the pitch black and just

1200
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,599
reflect on

1201
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:17,520
the moment that colombia brought me

1202
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,400
there

1203
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:20,160
and if crowley was still alive we

1204
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,280
probably would have had some incredible

1205
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:23,040
conversation in that house about you

1206
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:24,560
know the things that we found in

1207
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:26,319
colombia and how they changed us it

1208
00:42:28,829 --> 00:42:27,839
would have been amazing

1209
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:28,839
sure

1210
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:31,280
yeah um

1211
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,160
what

1212
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:34,160
uh life lessons

1213
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:36,400
can you take from that trip

1214
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:39,440
moving on moving forward in your daily

1215
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,870
i think as well just looking at the way

1216
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:46,560
that some people live out there as well

1217
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:48,319
it's just really inspiring because they

1218
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:50,960
are just really really happy people

1219
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:53,760
and they're not there's no materialism

1220
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,520
in that kind of part of the world right

1221
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:57,760
right it's genuine they're very family

1222
00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:59,839
oriented they're very kind and giving

1223
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:02,160
people whether it be the locals that we

1224
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:04,560
met you know we had people at the house

1225
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:06,720
who were helping us out but then the

1226
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:09,280
tribal people as well were

1227
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:11,119
all they wanted to do is give and make

1228
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,839
you feel special and happy and it it's

1229
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:15,599
it's so humbling man is it i've never

1230
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:17,359
seen anything like it

1231
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,960
so i guess it just makes you think that

1232
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,480
you should be like that in your life as

1233
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:22,400
well

1234
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,440
yeah 100

1235
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:25,359
there was a bit i mentioned already we

1236
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:28,000
went to dig a well in a moist community

1237
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:31,119
and they asked us to bring coca-cola um

1238
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,560
and if you've seen the show you've heard

1239
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:34,079
me talk about this but it just it stayed

1240
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,920
with me they asked us to bring coca-cola

1241
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:38,160
some bread some crisps stuff like that

1242
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:39,760
so we brought that all with us thinking

1243
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:40,880
that it was kind of the cost of

1244
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:43,920
admission to to you know visit and

1245
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:46,800
actually they'd ask us to bring stuff

1246
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:48,640
that they could give us for lunch that

1247
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:50,319
that's all the coke all the bread

1248
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:51,760
everything it was for us for lunch so

1249
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,000
they could just make us comfortable and

1250
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,079
that's amazing like i just

1251
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:58,160
i don't think

1252
00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:59,440
people in the uk

1253
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:01,359
are nice don't get me wrong but

1254
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:07,349
no

1255
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,319
states which is supposed to be a very

1256
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:14,880
nice spot and i can tell you

1257
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:16,880
it's not like that man it's just not

1258
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,560
like that

1259
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,640
wouldn't be a better place and a nicer

1260
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:22,240
place if everyone was like that though

1261
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:23,119
right

1262
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,400
you know any and you start to think of

1263
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:29,119
you know is there a phenomenon

1264
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:32,079
responding to to you know

1265
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:35,599
gratitude and kindness and and giving in

1266
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:38,000
in that kind of uh aspect of life this

1267
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:40,000
is a good question from james here do

1268
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:41,839
you think that aspects of life after

1269
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:44,000
death may have a relation to a small

1270
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,839
aspect of the phenomena i know you can

1271
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:47,680
only speculate here but what do you

1272
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:48,560
think

1273
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:50,240
no vinnie actually died in colombia and

1274
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:51,839
he said yes no i'm kidding he didn't is

1275
00:44:55,660 --> 00:44:53,599
that true

1276
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:55,670
why wouldn't you start with that video

1277
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,319
[Laughter]

1278
00:45:01,589 --> 00:45:00,240
you're saving that one for a third

1279
00:45:04,030 --> 00:45:01,599
reveal

1280
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:04,040
okay

1281
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:06,800
[Laughter]

1282
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,359
i know i mean it's hard to say but i

1283
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,599
made it like i said i'm now more open to

1284
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:13,280
certain things than i was before i

1285
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:14,640
certainly won't discount things because

1286
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:16,960
they don't fit into a particular belief

1287
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:18,560
system that i may have had before or

1288
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:20,079
something that is

1289
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,599
so far different to anything i've

1290
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:23,760
considered in the past so yeah why not

1291
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,800
why not

1292
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:25,920
yeah

1293
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:27,200
no i'm

1294
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:28,160
i'd

1295
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,880
cheers i tend to agree with you i mean

1296
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:32,480
uh the the

1297
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,319
every sighting i've had which i've had

1298
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,319
three for sure

1299
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:38,880
four actually that are quite strange to

1300
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:39,680
me

1301
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,359
maybe actually five and they all

1302
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:43,359
happened within maybe a four or five

1303
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:44,880
month span

1304
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:46,880
and i'm in a house that

1305
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:50,000
has maybe three cemeteries on each side

1306
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:51,920
of it not directly but

1307
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:53,599
within a block or two

1308
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:54,960
okay you know

1309
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:01,030
what you know it's just uh yeah i feel

1310
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:02,720
like there's a lot involved i feel like

1311
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,720
family bloodlines life death

1312
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:06,960
spirituality at least as far as the

1313
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:08,800
things that i've seen i think a lot of

1314
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:11,359
that is involved prayer meditation i

1315
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:13,280
think all of that has to do with it i

1316
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:15,920
mean i think uh as a society

1317
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:18,720
more so as every year passes we get so

1318
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,440
hooked on to you know the phones and

1319
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:23,280
looking at the phones and technology

1320
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:25,200
driven and what can we do that will

1321
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,200
allow us to work less you know uh what

1322
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:31,839
but we really forget about um

1323
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:34,160
what it really means to be human

1324
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:35,920
you know

1325
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,400
yes 100 that was the dream of automation

1326
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,880
right originally that yeah it was meant

1327
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,960
to come in so that we had more time to

1328
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:44,319
do the things that people were meant to

1329
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:46,240
do whatever that is whatever floats your

1330
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,640
boat sure yeah

1331
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:50,560
yeah hopefully we'll get there one day

1332
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:52,880
at least uh but

1333
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,200
you know so we can do

1334
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:57,359
you know more human stuff and and

1335
00:47:01,670 --> 00:47:00,720
experience love camaraderie friendship

1336
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:01,680
um

1337
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:02,800
and all that because i think that's

1338
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,680
really important and and we kind of seem

1339
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,920
to be losing a lot of that at this point

1340
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:09,599
but hopefully we'll regain it back and i

1341
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,680
think things that you're doing like

1342
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:13,520
phenomenology and experiencing those

1343
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:15,920
cultures recording it showing it to the

1344
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,599
world um is is a huge plus

1345
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:21,280
as far as that's concerned so thank you

1346
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,200
guys from the from my heart for for

1347
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:25,280
doing that so

1348
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:26,480
thank you man

1349
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:28,160
it means a lot and

1350
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:29,280
one of the nice things of being out

1351
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,559
there actually was

1352
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:32,160
everyone on the team had such different

1353
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:35,359
backgrounds and you know one of the team

1354
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:37,040
members for example supported a

1355
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:38,559
politician that i would never dream of

1356
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,160
supporting but

1357
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,079
i would say past the broad stroke of

1358
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,240
that we all go on like a house on fire

1359
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,319
because we had time to be in the house

1360
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:48,559
and talk to the people underneath those

1361
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:51,359
kind of banners you know um

1362
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:53,920
we didn't really have access to much

1363
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:55,280
internet and things like that so we

1364
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:56,640
talked to each other and we found out

1365
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:58,079
that we actually had a lot in common and

1366
00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:00,400
there was no need to you know be at

1367
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:02,000
loggerheads over political beliefs or

1368
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:03,200
anything like that everything just felt

1369
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,720
really small when you're in the face of

1370
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,800
the on that mountain

1371
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:07,920
yeah

1372
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:08,960
beautiful

1373
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,559
um if anyone has any questions now is a

1374
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:14,240
good time to put them all in caps we can

1375
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,839
get those out there

1376
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:16,800
um

1377
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,040
is there anything that you guys whether

1378
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,599
it's uh calvin um

1379
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:23,280
phenomenology or anything else for that

1380
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:25,440
matter is there anything that you would

1381
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:29,280
you know like to say about anything uh

1382
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,079
something maybe that we didn't cover

1383
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:34,800
i mean not not so much regarding the two

1384
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,559
cases but i'd love to give some shout

1385
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:38,160
outs if that's okay

1386
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:40,000
yeah of course

1387
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:41,440
so because i've not done that and i feel

1388
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,960
like i should i want to shout out for

1389
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:44,480
the calvi and i want to give a massive

1390
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:45,359
massive

1391
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:47,839
shout out to dr david clarke giles

1392
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:50,000
stevens matthew wheels the graeme

1393
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:51,119
rendell

1394
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:53,040
and people like that who there's been

1395
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:54,160
you know others that have helped with

1396
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:56,079
the carving case and then dripping that

1397
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:59,359
down into uap media said dan

1398
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:01,200
all the team at uap media uk have been

1399
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:03,280
fantastic and then over into colombia i

1400
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,960
mean ashley cowy

1401
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,880
my brother thank you so much for all of

1402
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:08,160
that uh

1403
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:11,839
dan walter lydia jess national natty

1404
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:17,910
just everybody that has taken me on my

1405
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:19,760
journey for the last year sean you and

1406
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:22,000
all the podcast shows and hosts and

1407
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:24,400
friends the colleagues on instagram

1408
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:25,680
everybody

1409
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:28,559
has been nothing but supportive and

1410
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:30,079
just helped me you know knowing that

1411
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:31,599
i've made such great friends in the

1412
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:32,800
community

1413
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:35,200
is incredible you know so

1414
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,119
yeah that's all i got to say about that

1415
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,119
well i i remember when i was first

1416
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:41,520
starting in in meeting you and doing

1417
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:42,720
this and

1418
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:44,720
um

1419
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:48,319
just watching uh you kind of grow from

1420
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:49,200
from

1421
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:50,720
and i know you were doing this before i

1422
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:52,960
started it but just watching you grow

1423
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:55,200
from where you were then at that point

1424
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:56,720
uh into everything that you've

1425
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:58,400
accomplished since then

1426
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:01,280
is is amazing and it should be applauded

1427
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:02,720
you know um

1428
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:05,599
and i can even say like

1429
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,960
disregard any any results even like the

1430
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:10,559
amount of work

1431
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,280
uh and dedication that you're showing to

1432
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:15,599
uh moving this ball forward and both of

1433
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,480
you for that matter um is impressive and

1434
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,319
should be applauded

1435
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,240
and really i don't want to tell people

1436
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:24,480
what they should do but i for one am

1437
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,079
grateful that there's people like you

1438
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,319
doing that i mean because

1439
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:30,640
someone has to you know and it's not

1440
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:32,720
easy and it takes effort

1441
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,720
you know um things in life that are easy

1442
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:38,960
don't really get you very far and and

1443
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,400
you're doing the things that aren't easy

1444
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:42,240
which is really hard investigations

1445
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,800
going to freaking columbia

1446
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:46,880
you know and going up these huge

1447
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:49,520
mountains where cartels are all around

1448
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,440
and most people don't even want to leave

1449
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:53,280
the safety of their own home because

1450
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:55,119
they're afraid of crime you know like

1451
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:56,640
all that stuff is really hard and it

1452
00:51:02,870 --> 00:50:59,839
takes a massive amount of strength to do

1453
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:02,880
it you know and follow through um

1454
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:05,359
so i'm i'm just so proud of you benny

1455
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:08,880
man and dan you as well so i just want

1456
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,359
to i just want to emphasize that

1457
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:13,040
none of this would have happened without

1458
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:14,480
the village of people that made it

1459
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:16,400
happen both things exactly all things

1460
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,400
every single even like you know that ufo

1461
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:21,119
podcast finnish show vp media it takes a

1462
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:22,720
village man and

1463
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:25,200
we can get so much further as a team

1464
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:26,240
than we can

1465
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:27,599
while we're at each other's throats over

1466
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:31,280
these petty details in cases so just

1467
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:33,440
find your tribe bandy up we we get

1468
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:34,400
further

1469
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:37,040
calvin as calvin is a i mean it is a

1470
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:38,800
rock right

1471
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:41,359
reflected in a pond

1472
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:43,920
reflected in a bond

1473
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:45,119
that's awesome

1474
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:46,240
who would have thought that they

1475
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,839
classify rocks

1476
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:48,960
for 50

1477
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:51,040
100 years i think that's just amazing

1478
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:53,200
that's the story if you were to ask me

1479
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:55,040
it's like who would have thought

1480
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:56,000
that

1481
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:58,720
you know it i i for one am going to be a

1482
00:52:01,510 --> 00:52:00,000
lot more careful with what i'm

1483
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:01,520
photographing because i don't want any

1484
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:02,640
mib

1485
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:04,640
figuring out that i'm taking photos of

1486
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:07,599
rocks stealing my cell phone and putting

1487
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,240
it in a freaking safe for 100 years you

1488
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:12,079
know i don't want anything to do with

1489
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:13,119
that

1490
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:15,520
so i am not taking pictures of rocks and

1491
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,920
ponds anymore but

1492
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:19,599
just put some googly eyes on the rock if

1493
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:22,079
you do that that's all i ask

1494
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:23,520
no but the thing is we don't know what

1495
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:26,240
it is right we don't know what it is and

1496
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:28,880
nobody's trying to say what it is

1497
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:31,119
either you know i mean you could say

1498
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:32,559
well it looks like it could be black

1499
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,680
tech it could be this but um you know

1500
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:37,680
i think a lot of people miss that you

1501
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:39,440
know that that nobody's trying to shove

1502
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:40,720
opinions down your throat they're just

1503
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:42,480
saying here we found this pretty cool

1504
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:43,280
huh

1505
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:45,119
yeah and we did the same thing with the

1506
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:47,280
lake cote costa rica pitcher as well

1507
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:48,800
that was almost a test bed for the

1508
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:51,440
carving thing where we were able to just

1509
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:53,680
you know help get the data out there but

1510
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,319
not claim a conclusion not say this is

1511
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:58,160
what this is it's definitely ufo or it's

1512
00:53:01,750 --> 00:52:59,599
definitely easy or it's definitely a

1513
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,760
crack in the lens um and that's the

1514
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:03,200
thing people need to learn to just spin

1515
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:04,720
these plates and be okay with not

1516
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:07,200
knowing for a while and if you do kind

1517
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:09,040
of solve it and it's disappointing

1518
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:10,720
that's a good thing it's one case we

1519
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:12,559
don't have to work anymore right like

1520
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:14,079
don't don't be afraid of proving that

1521
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:16,400
something isn't e.t

1522
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:18,400
for sure no beautiful

1523
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:20,480
um i see some questions coming in i know

1524
00:53:26,829 --> 00:53:25,119
there's no answer to it so i'm not uh um

1525
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:26,839
asking them at

1526
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:29,599
all just as far as like you know you

1527
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,440
know what i mean i know there's no

1528
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:33,440
answer to it uh do we know the model of

1529
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:35,680
the camera by chance

1530
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:38,079
vivian westwood

1531
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:39,599
yeah okay i've never heard of it well

1532
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:41,599
you could say anything and she's a model

1533
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:42,640
of the

1534
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:44,960
model fashion model

1535
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:46,960
i mean the model of the camera if

1536
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:47,839
they're talking about the model of the

1537
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:49,599
camera to take the cowboy

1538
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:50,480
yeah

1539
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:57,430
how would you determine you can

1540
00:54:01,510 --> 00:53:59,680
determine probably the kind of film and

1541
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,520
the paper that is printed on which is in

1542
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:04,000
the photo analysis that was done

1543
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:05,599
um by

1544
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:07,200
somebody at sheffield harlem university

1545
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:09,200
which is available we put that out there

1546
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,640
we've got more people working on

1547
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:12,240
analysis as well

1548
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:13,359
but

1549
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:15,280
yeah we just don't we just don't know

1550
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:17,119
how you can ascertain these things it's

1551
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,960
the same as people said you know have

1552
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:20,720
you found the pilot that was flying the

1553
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:22,880
harrier or you know

1554
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:25,040
well we've looked at records and there's

1555
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:26,800
no record showing

1556
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:29,440
any harriers in there so you know you

1557
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:31,920
can't jump two steps you have to kind of

1558
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,760
go step by step and if if you're hitting

1559
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:35,760
brick walls then

1560
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:37,119
you know there's not much much further

1561
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:39,440
you can go it's it's it's a very very

1562
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:41,839
difficult case to investigate but

1563
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:43,359
it's ongoing that's one thing i will

1564
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:46,480
reiterate this case is very much ongoing

1565
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:48,799
we have leads we are working on new

1566
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:51,359
angles i can't give out any information

1567
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:52,559
on that because

1568
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:54,079
i don't want to be wrong and we don't

1569
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:55,440
want to be wrong as a team but it's

1570
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:58,559
ongoing and you know if we get any

1571
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:59,920
anywhere with it we'll put the

1572
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:01,680
information out it's just i just don't

1573
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:02,880
want people to think that we drop a

1574
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:04,720
photo and that's it we walk away

1575
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:07,040
certainly not the case one one core

1576
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:08,720
thing that i didn't expect to come from

1577
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:11,520
this was gary nolan offering to help us

1578
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:12,880
turn the

1579
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:14,720
image analysis we've taken because we

1580
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,000
have a few different independent ones

1581
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:18,240
coming in um anyways we'd be able to

1582
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:20,079
turn that into a peer-reviewed paper so

1583
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,599
who knows by this time next year you

1584
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,280
might see uap media with a peer-reviewed

1585
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,280
paper under his belt and make myself

1586
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:27,520
zero

1587
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:29,599
just

1588
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:32,640
i'm not gonna comment but

1589
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:35,440
it ain't no freaking rock or kite okay

1590
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:36,400
so

1591
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:38,319
um good work once again i'm just going

1592
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,839
to say that good work on the california

1593
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:41,520
thank you so much for taking the time to

1594
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:43,280
do this with me i really do appreciate

1595
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:44,640
it i know you guys are getting hit up a

1596
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:46,559
lot uh regarding this story because i've

1597
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:49,599
blown up so uh which is a testament

1598
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:51,200
again to the hard work the more work you

1599
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:52,960
put in the more patience you show the

1600
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,640
the better off uh

1601
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:56,160
you know you're gonna be in the in the

1602
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:58,720
bigger response you'll get you know so i

1603
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:00,480
think it's a testament to that too so

1604
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:03,760
which i've learned that lesson my myself

1605
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,480
many times and again here

1606
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:08,559
i want people

1607
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:10,960
does balance things out my my car tire

1608
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:12,559
blew up on friday night and i had a

1609
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:15,520
whole thing so yeah fun but balanced now

1610
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:16,799
you know

1611
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:18,559
did you have a spare

1612
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:20,079
no i didn't and i had to wait for the

1613
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,760
breakdown truck from like 9 p.m so 9 a.m

1614
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:25,599
we'll be right there in half hour it was

1615
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:28,559
not a fun night but

1616
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:29,440
well

1617
00:56:35,109 --> 00:56:33,359
you know it's worth it yeah very much

1618
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:35,119
all right well with that i'll bid you a

1619
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:37,520
do uh again i appreciate your time so

1620
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:40,480
much and i really look forward to more

1621
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:42,720
phenomenology you know more stuff

1622
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:45,040
hopefully coming out uh with the calvin

1623
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:45,839
thing

1624
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:47,599
um and just you know talking to you guys

1625
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:49,040
and watching your journey because it's

1626
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:50,400
really awesome seeing everything you

1627
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:51,760
guys do so

1628
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:53,280
cool man thank you for having us it's

1629
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:54,880
always good to see you

1630
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:56,640
yeah good to see you too that being said

1631
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:58,400
everybody thank you so much for hanging

1632
00:57:01,829 --> 00:56:59,920
out in the chat being so polite in there

1633
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,839
i really do appreciate it go follow

1634
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:03,920
these guys on instagram twitter go to

1635
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:06,000
their youtubes watch everything they do

1636
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,760
in 24 hours straight

1637
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:09,680
and just keep watching it and find

1638
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:12,079
anything that you can do to donate just

1639
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:14,160
dump thousands of dollars in there

1640
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:15,760
anything